Location of Login and Ffynnonwen
Images produced from the Ordnance Survey Get-a-map service. Image reproduced with kind permission of Ordnance Survey and Ordnance Survey of Northern Ireland.
Wednesday, 23 November 2011
Saturday, 13 August 2011
Cylch Meithrin Ffynnowen 2011
Angela Burns AM with Clr. Roy Llewellyn and children at the school.
A cawl lunch fundraiser for Cylch Meithrin Ffynnowen started the St. David’s Day celebrations in style, with a cast of Tiny Tots singing their hearts out to the delight of the many parents and supporters of this successful nursery group in Login.
The pounds are still being counted in, but the home-made cakes, jams and presents flew off the stalls.
The raffle was drawn by South Pembrokeshire Assembly member Angela Burns, who said: “Having lived just down the road from the school, I have seen how incredibly popular it is and rightly so. All credit to the dedicated team who keep it all going.”
c. http://www.narberth-and-whitland-today.co.uk/
Friday, 3 June 2011
1911 Census - Snippets
Just had the chance to quickly view Cilymaenllwyd parish on the 1911 Census and found a few interesting items:
Benjamin Lewis aged 67yrs of Pumpsant was classed as a 'jockey'.
John Lewis aged 39yrs of Church Cottage, Login was a G.W.R. Platelayer.
Henry Thomas aged 36yrs of Lletty was also a Platelayer.
Phebe Williams, single and aged 35yrs was shown as the 'Inn Keeper' of 7 room Plascrwn Arms.
There was also two little cottages called Bridge Street (presumably the little row by Login Bridge) - both had only two rooms - in one lived Hester Lewis, 58yrs old and single and in the other was Martha Davies, a 76yr old widow.
John Lewis aged 51yrs and his 25yr old son Alfred Parry Lewis were shown as tailor and shopkeeper and tailor respectively. They were shown living at 'Login Shop' which had 9 rooms. Also John's 19yr old daughter's middle name was Cleopatra.
Mary Jones, a 69yr old widow was also a shopkeeper in the 3 roomed Login House.
John James aged 60yrs was a whip maker who lived in 2 roomed Glanrhyd.
Evan Jones was a 25 yr old joiner and cabinet maker in 4 roomed Ael y Bryn.
Philip Thomas was a tanner in 6 roomed Ponprenmiles.
Thomas and Benjamin Morgans aged 33 and 29yrs of 4 roomed Pantycelyn were coal hewers (where I wonder?).
Thomas Lewis aged 39yrs from Underhill I think was a road worker (some descriptions only in Welsh).
David Wilkins aged 21yrs was another platelayer and lived in 3 roomed Mount Pleasant.
John Morris aged 30yrs was shown as a Smith and working Login P.O. with his sister Margaret aged 25ryrs. The P.O. was shown with 4 rooms.
Daniel Davies aged 38yrs was a packer with G.W.R. and lived in 4 roomed Pleasant View.
Benjamin Lewis aged 67yrs of Pumpsant was classed as a 'jockey'.
John Lewis aged 39yrs of Church Cottage, Login was a G.W.R. Platelayer.
Henry Thomas aged 36yrs of Lletty was also a Platelayer.
Phebe Williams, single and aged 35yrs was shown as the 'Inn Keeper' of 7 room Plascrwn Arms.
There was also two little cottages called Bridge Street (presumably the little row by Login Bridge) - both had only two rooms - in one lived Hester Lewis, 58yrs old and single and in the other was Martha Davies, a 76yr old widow.
John Lewis aged 51yrs and his 25yr old son Alfred Parry Lewis were shown as tailor and shopkeeper and tailor respectively. They were shown living at 'Login Shop' which had 9 rooms. Also John's 19yr old daughter's middle name was Cleopatra.
Mary Jones, a 69yr old widow was also a shopkeeper in the 3 roomed Login House.
John James aged 60yrs was a whip maker who lived in 2 roomed Glanrhyd.
Evan Jones was a 25 yr old joiner and cabinet maker in 4 roomed Ael y Bryn.
Philip Thomas was a tanner in 6 roomed Ponprenmiles.
Thomas and Benjamin Morgans aged 33 and 29yrs of 4 roomed Pantycelyn were coal hewers (where I wonder?).
Thomas Lewis aged 39yrs from Underhill I think was a road worker (some descriptions only in Welsh).
David Wilkins aged 21yrs was another platelayer and lived in 3 roomed Mount Pleasant.
John Morris aged 30yrs was shown as a Smith and working Login P.O. with his sister Margaret aged 25ryrs. The P.O. was shown with 4 rooms.
Daniel Davies aged 38yrs was a packer with G.W.R. and lived in 4 roomed Pleasant View.
Thursday, 2 June 2011
Cilymaenllwyd Church 1710
From Genuki
Griffiths, G. Milwyn. A Visitation of the Archdeaconry of Carmarthen, 1710 National Library of Wales journal. 1974, Summer Vol XVIII/3.
Extracted onto the pages of GENUKI with the kind permission of the National Library of Wales
KIL Y MAEN LLWYD
The walls of the Church want rendring, the Tiling of the Roof between the Bells & the north door wants to be new ripped. The windows to be glaz'd. The floor to be made even. The Welsh Common Prayer Book is torn & imperfect. No Canons, nor printed Table of Degrees. The fence of the Churchyard to be repaired. No house, no Glebe, no Minister resident. Reputed value about 50 £ per annum. 62 Mr Collins Minister here 63 & of Llan Geler about 10 or 12 miles distant. His Curate Mr Morris of Llan Gan. Salary about 10 £ a year. Prayers every Sunday once, generally in Welsh, but sometimes half in English half in Welsh. See more under Llan Gan p. 24, where is also an account of the Dissenters. The Act against Swearing & cursing not read. Sacrament administred 4 times a year. Bread & wine at Easter found by Mr Collins the Rector. Communicants then about 60. Families 5o. See Llan Gan. From Mr Morris.
62. £35 in Ecton: op. cit., p. 379.
63. John Collins, B.A., instituted 1681 (SD / VC / 1, p. 142; SD / SB / 1, p. 95).
Griffiths, G. Milwyn. A Visitation of the Archdeaconry of Carmarthen, 1710 National Library of Wales journal. 1974, Summer Vol XVIII/3.
Extracted onto the pages of GENUKI with the kind permission of the National Library of Wales
KIL Y MAEN LLWYD
The walls of the Church want rendring, the Tiling of the Roof between the Bells & the north door wants to be new ripped. The windows to be glaz'd. The floor to be made even. The Welsh Common Prayer Book is torn & imperfect. No Canons, nor printed Table of Degrees. The fence of the Churchyard to be repaired. No house, no Glebe, no Minister resident. Reputed value about 50 £ per annum. 62 Mr Collins Minister here 63 & of Llan Geler about 10 or 12 miles distant. His Curate Mr Morris of Llan Gan. Salary about 10 £ a year. Prayers every Sunday once, generally in Welsh, but sometimes half in English half in Welsh. See more under Llan Gan p. 24, where is also an account of the Dissenters. The Act against Swearing & cursing not read. Sacrament administred 4 times a year. Bread & wine at Easter found by Mr Collins the Rector. Communicants then about 60. Families 5o. See Llan Gan. From Mr Morris.
62. £35 in Ecton: op. cit., p. 379.
63. John Collins, B.A., instituted 1681 (SD / VC / 1, p. 142; SD / SB / 1, p. 95).
Monday, 9 May 2011
Cattle 'Creep' at Login
"Cattle Creep" on the Cardi Bach
"Cattle Creep" under disused Cardi Bach railway line just outside of Login.
It allowed cattle to pass through under the line to get to pastures near the River Taf.
© Copyright ray and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence.
Sunday, 24 April 2011
Crime 1764
From http://www.llgc.org.uk/sesiwn_fawr/amendments.htm
Accused
Thomas Eynon; Parish: Cilymaenllwyd; County: Carmarthen; Status: Labourer
Offence
Nuisance - obstructing a road by erecting a hedge and ditch.
Location and date
Parish: Cilymaenllwyd; County: Carmarthen; Date: 22 February 1764
Prosecutor
Owen Evans, gent.
Verdict
Quashed.~~
Accused
Thomas Eynon; Parish: Cilymaenllwyd; County: Carmarthen; Status: Labourer
Offence
Nuisance - obstructing a road by erecting a hedge and ditch.
Location and date
Parish: Cilymaenllwyd; County: Carmarthen; Date: 22 February 1764
Prosecutor
Owen Evans, gent.
Verdict
Quashed.~~
Wednesday, 13 April 2011
1885 View of Login and Calfaria Chapel
Just found this super old view across Login to Calfaria Chapel on the Peoples Collection Wales. Seems it was taken in 1885. Pity Gwenlais where I lived is hidden by trees. The shop already had its veranda - wish I could read what is written on the shop side - can anyone else?
Everywhere looked so clean and well kept, with really neat gardens - a credit to them all.
Everywhere looked so clean and well kept, with really neat gardens - a credit to them all.
There is also a lovely shot of Calfaria Chapel, also 1885
Creator John Thomas, 1838-1905, Owner NLW, Date1885. (Don't think I have infringed copyright by putting this here but will remove if I have.)
Thursday, 2 September 2010
Memories of Gwenlais, Login, in the 1960s
I lived with my parents at Gwenlais for about 10 years – from about 1963-73.
The house was small and unmodernised – being a basic ‘two up two down’, with a small box room on the landing, a side pantry behind a shed type structure, and a black zinc shed on the southern side, with a tank outside for catching rainwater.
There were no modern amenities – water came from a tap in the zinc shed and the outside toilet was half way up the garden.
Viewing it on the hill in Google Streetview it had changed considerably.
In the 60s most of the windows faced the graveyard of Calfaria – apart from one in the kitchen and one on the half landing (I believe there were five steps, then a small half landing and window – then another five steps to the upstairs).
The front door was always painted in wide green and cream stripes – being rented my father didn’t believe in wasting money on redecorating! Paintwork was mostly grey – especially upstairs – and the wallpaper in my room was a sort of pattern with blue and yellow flowers – still recalled but hard to describe.
There was an old fashioned range in the kitchen – with an oven at the side, and an ordinary fireplace in the living room. There was also a fireplace in the northern bedroom with a large chimney breast and mantle piece – but I can’t recall one being in the other bedroom. There was also an under the stairs little cupboard – with a door opposite the front door.
There seemed to have been a dividing line outside between the ground and first floors – looking as if the second floor had been added later.
The two downstairs rooms had beams and a wooden ceiling – which was the floor of the bedrooms – so with only a thin divide sound did carry.
The small shed at the north side of the house was divided into two – the front half being where our dog lived – but the back part was joined on to the kitchen via a door and was a sort of pantry with shelves. It looked as if a window had looked over the valley from here at one point but this was now boarded over and a small one looked into the side garden.
Next to this was a small coal shed – then a wooden gate into the long side garden that stretched north.
Sketch showing house and gardens.
The garden was never tended much as my father was not very well. The first part would have been for vegetables. Then there was a sort of divide – where the toilet was, as well as a broken greenhouse and what would have been a pig sty.
The next section of garden was where the clothes line was – also lots of apple trees, and where I had a swing. There must have been a sort of well there at one time as there was large stone slab which probably covered the well.
Up the very top of the garden was another small shed.
The eastern boundary of the garden sloped down sharply to the valley bottom – and I had strict instructions not to go near!
There was a side driveway into the property, as well as small steps leading up to the lane that passed the front door. This lane was raided and about window height and the wall supporting it was made up of lots of small stones – where little lizards would bask in the sun.
Location of Gwenlais - picture taken in 1905.
The house was small and unmodernised – being a basic ‘two up two down’, with a small box room on the landing, a side pantry behind a shed type structure, and a black zinc shed on the southern side, with a tank outside for catching rainwater.
1905
There were no modern amenities – water came from a tap in the zinc shed and the outside toilet was half way up the garden.
Viewing it on the hill in Google Streetview it had changed considerably.
Front of Gwenlais - Mum Dora at door.
In the 60s most of the windows faced the graveyard of Calfaria – apart from one in the kitchen and one on the half landing (I believe there were five steps, then a small half landing and window – then another five steps to the upstairs).
Ruth with elder sister Daphne
Ruth - the black zinc shed which contained our water tap.
Our green and cream front door - you can just see the stairs
at the back of the small passage - and Snowy our stray of course!
The front door was always painted in wide green and cream stripes – being rented my father didn’t believe in wasting money on redecorating! Paintwork was mostly grey – especially upstairs – and the wallpaper in my room was a sort of pattern with blue and yellow flowers – still recalled but hard to describe.
Ruth standing on the lane up to Sunnybank.
You can see the little white single storey shed at the side of the house.
There was an old fashioned range in the kitchen – with an oven at the side, and an ordinary fireplace in the living room. There was also a fireplace in the northern bedroom with a large chimney breast and mantle piece – but I can’t recall one being in the other bedroom. There was also an under the stairs little cupboard – with a door opposite the front door.
Dora, Laurence and Ruth.
In front of the house - you can see the dividing line above the window.
There seemed to have been a dividing line outside between the ground and first floors – looking as if the second floor had been added later.
The two downstairs rooms had beams and a wooden ceiling – which was the floor of the bedrooms – so with only a thin divide sound did carry.
The small shed at the north side of the house was divided into two – the front half being where our dog lived – but the back part was joined on to the kitchen via a door and was a sort of pantry with shelves. It looked as if a window had looked over the valley from here at one point but this was now boarded over and a small one looked into the side garden.
This shows the pavement in front of the house and the garden gate in the background.
Next to this was a small coal shed – then a wooden gate into the long side garden that stretched north.
The garden was never tended much as my father was not very well. The first part would have been for vegetables. Then there was a sort of divide – where the toilet was, as well as a broken greenhouse and what would have been a pig sty.
The next section of garden was where the clothes line was – also lots of apple trees, and where I had a swing. There must have been a sort of well there at one time as there was large stone slab which probably covered the well.
Up the very top of the garden was another small shed.
The eastern boundary of the garden sloped down sharply to the valley bottom – and I had strict instructions not to go near!
This was at the end of our drive near the corner - see the dark shape to the right - that was an old oven embedded in the hedge for milk etc - thats where Blackie would sit and wait for us if we had gone on the bus to Carmarthen.
There was a side driveway into the property, as well as small steps leading up to the lane that passed the front door. This lane was raided and about window height and the wall supporting it was made up of lots of small stones – where little lizards would bask in the sun.
Friday, 26 March 2010
Cilymaenllwyd Name
Extracted from the Carmarthen Journal on 24th March 2010.
CILYMAENLLWYD
Cil - a retreat
Maen - stone
Llwyd - grey or pale
Therefore meaning - 'retreat of the pale stone.'
In the 1760s the church of Killmaenllwyd was established - being rebuilt about a century later. It is recorded that the attendance for the new church was so great that many had to wait outside.
Login is referred to as a hamlet - originally known as LOGINDWR - the name coming from the archaic word for dirty stream or pool - 'halogyn'. The steep terrain means that water runs quickly after rain and this causes it to become brown.
Wednesday, 10 March 2010
Bushell Family
I read your article on Login wuth interest as my G.G.Grandafther John Bushell and his wife Elizabeth lived for a time at Coed Llys.
They went there in 1795 and John was a Captain in the Carmarthen Militia. Their son. my G.Grandfather, James Parsons Bushell married Mary Thomas of Penrallt.
John Bushell was born in Clonmel Co. Tipperary.
So I still have relatives living around Login!!
G.Grandfather moved to New Moat on his marriage, which is where I live.
Owen Bushell
They went there in 1795 and John was a Captain in the Carmarthen Militia. Their son. my G.Grandfather, James Parsons Bushell married Mary Thomas of Penrallt.
John Bushell was born in Clonmel Co. Tipperary.
So I still have relatives living around Login!!
G.Grandfather moved to New Moat on his marriage, which is where I live.
Owen Bushell
Sunday, 23 August 2009
Ancestor Enquiry? Thomas James
I've had this comment left and thought someone might be able to help:
I'm interested in the Thomas James you listed as living at Underhill in the 1861 census as a schoolmaster. Do you have any idea what school he would have been at? Any idea where I could get any information about him or school records? I believe we share an ancestor. Thanks! I love this site! Lea (descended from Morgans of Cilymaenllwyd).
I have found this Thomas James at Cwmiles in 1851 -as schoolmaster - and also his son a schoolmaster. Again in 1871 living at (I think) Pendre.
In Efailwen to Whitland Vol 11 (page 134)I have found that Thomas James (1814-85) was born at Cwmmiles and began work as a shoemaker, later keeping schools under the Madam Bevan Trust at Llanwhaden, Penffordd (pembs) and Meidrim (Carms) before returning to the district.
In every district he taught he also kept adult music classes in the evenings.
He was an excellent conductor who also composed some original pieces.
These facts came form an article Simon Lewis of Maesyffynon published in 'Y Piwritan Newydd'
Lea tells me that Thomas's mother Hannah was born a 'Morgans'.
I'm interested in the Thomas James you listed as living at Underhill in the 1861 census as a schoolmaster. Do you have any idea what school he would have been at? Any idea where I could get any information about him or school records? I believe we share an ancestor. Thanks! I love this site! Lea (descended from Morgans of Cilymaenllwyd).
I have found this Thomas James at Cwmiles in 1851 -as schoolmaster - and also his son a schoolmaster. Again in 1871 living at (I think) Pendre.
In Efailwen to Whitland Vol 11 (page 134)I have found that Thomas James (1814-85) was born at Cwmmiles and began work as a shoemaker, later keeping schools under the Madam Bevan Trust at Llanwhaden, Penffordd (pembs) and Meidrim (Carms) before returning to the district.
In every district he taught he also kept adult music classes in the evenings.
He was an excellent conductor who also composed some original pieces.
These facts came form an article Simon Lewis of Maesyffynon published in 'Y Piwritan Newydd'
Lea tells me that Thomas's mother Hannah was born a 'Morgans'.
Monday, 18 May 2009
Phillips Family - Weavers
From Efailwen to Whitland Vol 1
Llanboidy parish extends from Llanglydwen and Login to Whitland and within it were many factories with a much varied lifespan.
There was a factory on the Taf near the station. A little over a mile to the east on a tributary of the Taf, and apparently previous to the Login one, was Lanafon, a home from which emerged two eminent men. In the middle of the 19th century, and fairly near to the latter factory, the name Clundedwydd appears as a centre of activity. There Enoc Phillips plied his craft as weaver. Several of his sons worked as weavers in Llanddewi, Amroth and Narberth.
I would be interested to know more about this Phillips family if anyone can help. Just outside my village of Llanteg, in Amroth parish, we have found on the 1871 census:-
Longlane - William Phillips, born Llanboidy (aged 72)
and next door
Watergoch - Enock Phillips, born Llanboidy (aged 74) classed as weaver when he married in 1836.
The 1851 census had:-
Long Lane - Joseph Phillips, 28, weaver, born Ciffig
Factory - William Phillips, 51, born Llanboidy
1841 census:-
Longlane - Enoch Phillips, 40, clothier - not born in Pembrokeshire.
Llanboidy parish extends from Llanglydwen and Login to Whitland and within it were many factories with a much varied lifespan.
There was a factory on the Taf near the station. A little over a mile to the east on a tributary of the Taf, and apparently previous to the Login one, was Lanafon, a home from which emerged two eminent men. In the middle of the 19th century, and fairly near to the latter factory, the name Clundedwydd appears as a centre of activity. There Enoc Phillips plied his craft as weaver. Several of his sons worked as weavers in Llanddewi, Amroth and Narberth.
I would be interested to know more about this Phillips family if anyone can help. Just outside my village of Llanteg, in Amroth parish, we have found on the 1871 census:-
Longlane - William Phillips, born Llanboidy (aged 72)
and next door
Watergoch - Enock Phillips, born Llanboidy (aged 74) classed as weaver when he married in 1836.
The 1851 census had:-
Long Lane - Joseph Phillips, 28, weaver, born Ciffig
Factory - William Phillips, 51, born Llanboidy
1841 census:-
Longlane - Enoch Phillips, 40, clothier - not born in Pembrokeshire.
Thursday, 30 April 2009
Ffynnonwen Royal Wedding Celebrations - July 1986
1986: Prince Andrew weds Sarah Ferguson - and there are celebrations at Ffynnonwen.
(These pictures were kindly lent to me by Carole of Login Post Office - If anyone is able to name those in the pictures - please let me know.)
(These pictures were kindly lent to me by Carole of Login Post Office - If anyone is able to name those in the pictures - please let me know.)
Very pretty table arrangements.
Picture taken before the end window was blocked up and the toilets added.
Monday, 27 April 2009
Ffynnonwen Community Centre, Login - Users
Monday to Thursday 9-12pm - Cylch meithrin Ffynnonwen for children of 2 - 4 years
Tuesday evening - Welsh Lessons
Thursday evenings - Adran and Aelwyd youth groups .
Friday mornings - mother a toddler group Cylch Ti A Fi, children play and do crafts while the parents enjoy a cup of tea and a chat.
Tuesday evening - Welsh Lessons
Thursday evenings - Adran and Aelwyd youth groups .
Friday mornings - mother a toddler group Cylch Ti A Fi, children play and do crafts while the parents enjoy a cup of tea and a chat.
Saturday, 25 April 2009
Thursday, 16 April 2009
Cilymaenllwyd Church History - St Philip and St James
Cilymaenllwyd Church - St Philip & St James
Information and pictures can also be found at -http://ffynnonwenlogin.blogspot.com/2009/04/cilymaenllwyd-genuki-information.html
Dedicated to the apostles Philip and James, the feast day was held on May 1st (Nos Glanai a Chalan Mai), but some traditions associate it with Brynach.
Some kind of church was here from 12th century but it does not appear in tax records.
At the beginning of the 18th century local residents were beginning to drift away from the parish church. In 1705 a churchwarden wrote - 'none comes to be catechised ...no schoolmaster'.
In 1710 'no house, no Glebe, no Minister resident. Prayers every Sunday once, generally in Welsh but sometimes half in English half in Welsh'.
Communicates then numbered 60, with about fifty families in the parish.
In 1907 J.T.Jones described the chalice and paten cover as 'in a beautiful state of preservation' - though it had no hallmark or inscribed date.
It is understood that in 1574 the church received an Elizabethan chalice inscribed:-
By 1786 the church was given the name Killmaenllwyd alias Culymaenllwyd.
The church was rebuilt in 1843 in the gothic style of the 19th century. It was further restored in 1898 with 270 seatings. During this later restoration (which cost £500) a new entrance with porch was made in the S.W. end of the nave. The turret was also rebuilt and the vestry enlarged. When the church reopened scores failed to to gain entry for the ceremony. Yet in 1972 it was dismantled (not strictly true - I'm not sure when it closed, I would have said before 1972 - but although converted into a dwelling - it is still standing).
There was a tablet inside the church to the Philipps family of Coedllys - from the 18th century (not sure what has happened to that?).
Some clergy:
John Blaune - about 1334
Lewis ap Howell
John de Wadingham
William de Spindlington 1385
Lewis de Howell ?
Griffith ap David 1502
David Jones 1576
John Owen 1599
Roger Phillips 1640
William Jones 1655
John Collins 1660
Griffin Beddoe - 1671
? Collins - 1710
John Garnon 1740
Roger Thomas - 1745
Morgan Gwynne - 1746
Beynon Howell
Evan Davies - 1763
Tudor Bristog - 1807
R.Bowen Jones - 1840s
B.Harries Jones - 1890s
W.Noel Evans - 1930 (with Llanglydwen)
T.B.Jones - 1940 (later combined with Llandysilio)
T.Thomas
T.L.Bowen
Information and pictures can also be found at -http://ffynnonwenlogin.blogspot.com/2009/04/cilymaenllwyd-genuki-information.html
Dedicated to the apostles Philip and James, the feast day was held on May 1st (Nos Glanai a Chalan Mai), but some traditions associate it with Brynach.
Some kind of church was here from 12th century but it does not appear in tax records.
At the beginning of the 18th century local residents were beginning to drift away from the parish church. In 1705 a churchwarden wrote - 'none comes to be catechised ...no schoolmaster'.
In 1710 'no house, no Glebe, no Minister resident. Prayers every Sunday once, generally in Welsh but sometimes half in English half in Welsh'.
Communicates then numbered 60, with about fifty families in the parish.
In 1907 J.T.Jones described the chalice and paten cover as 'in a beautiful state of preservation' - though it had no hallmark or inscribed date.
It is understood that in 1574 the church received an Elizabethan chalice inscribed:-
'Poculum Eclesie de Kilyiemaynloyd'.
After 1764 a parish library flourished.
By 1786 the church was given the name Killmaenllwyd alias Culymaenllwyd.
The church was rebuilt in 1843 in the gothic style of the 19th century. It was further restored in 1898 with 270 seatings. During this later restoration (which cost £500) a new entrance with porch was made in the S.W. end of the nave. The turret was also rebuilt and the vestry enlarged. When the church reopened scores failed to to gain entry for the ceremony. Yet in 1972 it was dismantled (not strictly true - I'm not sure when it closed, I would have said before 1972 - but although converted into a dwelling - it is still standing).
There was a tablet inside the church to the Philipps family of Coedllys - from the 18th century (not sure what has happened to that?).
Some clergy:
John Blaune - about 1334
Lewis ap Howell
John de Wadingham
William de Spindlington 1385
Lewis de Howell ?
Griffith ap David 1502
David Jones 1576
John Owen 1599
Roger Phillips 1640
William Jones 1655
John Collins 1660
Griffin Beddoe - 1671
? Collins - 1710
John Garnon 1740
Roger Thomas - 1745
Morgan Gwynne - 1746
Beynon Howell
Evan Davies - 1763
Tudor Bristog - 1807
R.Bowen Jones - 1840s
B.Harries Jones - 1890s
W.Noel Evans - 1930 (with Llanglydwen)
T.B.Jones - 1940 (later combined with Llandysilio)
T.Thomas
T.L.Bowen
Taken from Efailwen to Whitland Vol1
Cwmmiles Chapel History
Cwmmiles Chapel History
Information and pictures can also be found at -
http://ffynnonwenlogin.blogspot.com/2009/04/cilymaenllwyd-genuki-information.html
Cwmmiles chapel was a branch of Henlla and Nebo.
The chapel was built in 1858 with 200 seatings, but it was not until 1931 that it developed its full status.
31 members transferred from Henlland and 30 from Nebo. The membership for 1938 was 96. Of these 96:-
22 were Davies
15 were Evans
11 were James
11 were Thomas
The Treasurer was Owen James of Coedllys and the Secretary W.Rhydderch Evans.
'In the days before the motor car had fully won the countryside by its charm of speed, the stalwarts were obeserved walking leisurely to the services. Among them wereMr & Mrs Rowland John, Ardwyn, Mrs M.Evans, W.Rhydderch Evans and Albert Davies, Plascrwn, Miss Martha Jones, Mr David Thomas, Mr Henry Thomas,Mrs Pheobe Davies and Miss Catherine John, Frondeg.'
Information and pictures can also be found at -
http://ffynnonwenlogin.blogspot.com/2009/04/cilymaenllwyd-genuki-information.html
Cwmmiles chapel was a branch of Henlla and Nebo.
The chapel was built in 1858 with 200 seatings, but it was not until 1931 that it developed its full status.
31 members transferred from Henlland and 30 from Nebo. The membership for 1938 was 96. Of these 96:-
22 were Davies
15 were Evans
11 were James
11 were Thomas
The Treasurer was Owen James of Coedllys and the Secretary W.Rhydderch Evans.
'In the days before the motor car had fully won the countryside by its charm of speed, the stalwarts were obeserved walking leisurely to the services. Among them wereMr & Mrs Rowland John, Ardwyn, Mrs M.Evans, W.Rhydderch Evans and Albert Davies, Plascrwn, Miss Martha Jones, Mr David Thomas, Mr Henry Thomas,Mrs Pheobe Davies and Miss Catherine John, Frondeg.'
Taken from Efailwen to Whitland Vol1
Calfaria Chapel History
Present Minister - Eirian Wyn Lewis (01437 563620)
Present Secretary - Mrs Beti Evans
Baptist Choir with Rev W.S.Thomas and John DaviesCalfaria Chapel
Information and pictures on this chapel is also available at http://ffynnonwenlogin.blogspot.com/2009/04/cilymaenllwyd-genuki-information.html
Within a radius of two miles of the present building men and women had met at various homesteads during a period of about 50 years before a building was contemplated. Of these Lan and Ralltfach seem to have been the most prominent.
To form a new church at Login members from Rhydwilym, Cwmfelin Mynach and Ffynnon combined, but the person mainly responsible was Rev'd D.Woolcock of Cwmfelin.
The first meeting house was built in 1828, almost at the junction of several roads and overlooking the Taf valley. The church was not fully formed until 1834 and it then had 50 members.
Four years later it was host to the Cymanfa of the Carmarthenshire & Cardiganshire Baptist Association and the deacons were:- John Thomas, Benjamin Thomas, Walter Rogers and John Rogers.
The original building was far from large and after a short time bigger premises were needed. The new larger building was opened on 23/24th August 1877 under the ministry of D.S.Davies.
In 1887 almost every family within miles around accepted guests when a large meeting took place of the Carms & Cardiganshire Baptist Assoc. Two months later many adults and children travelled to Cardigan to attend Temperance Meetings - travelling on an excursion train.
Two able men of the cause after 1890 are described as Simon Lewis Maesyffynnon and J.G.Lewis of Login Shop.
Information and pictures on this chapel is also available at http://ffynnonwenlogin.blogspot.com/2009/04/cilymaenllwyd-genuki-information.html
Within a radius of two miles of the present building men and women had met at various homesteads during a period of about 50 years before a building was contemplated. Of these Lan and Ralltfach seem to have been the most prominent.
To form a new church at Login members from Rhydwilym, Cwmfelin Mynach and Ffynnon combined, but the person mainly responsible was Rev'd D.Woolcock of Cwmfelin.
The first meeting house was built in 1828, almost at the junction of several roads and overlooking the Taf valley. The church was not fully formed until 1834 and it then had 50 members.
Four years later it was host to the Cymanfa of the Carmarthenshire & Cardiganshire Baptist Association and the deacons were:- John Thomas, Benjamin Thomas, Walter Rogers and John Rogers.
The original building was far from large and after a short time bigger premises were needed. The new larger building was opened on 23/24th August 1877 under the ministry of D.S.Davies.
In 1887 almost every family within miles around accepted guests when a large meeting took place of the Carms & Cardiganshire Baptist Assoc. Two months later many adults and children travelled to Cardigan to attend Temperance Meetings - travelling on an excursion train.
Two able men of the cause after 1890 are described as Simon Lewis Maesyffynnon and J.G.Lewis of Login Shop.
Taken from Efailwen to Whitland -Vol1
From a Welsh book published in 2008 on the History of Calfaria - celebrating form 1828-2008:-
'Eglwys y Bedyddwyr Calfaria, Login, 1828-2008'
I have extracted the following (more being added):-
Sketch of first Chapel
Calfaria Chapel - Then and Now
The Coloured Window
The Pulpit and Gallery
Aerial view of Calfaria Chapel and Chapel House(the small building on the very left the other side of the road was a stable)
Chapel House - with Baptism Pool in front (with a wooden cover)
The Baptism Pool - it can be seen in front of Chapel House above
The Cardi Bach train at Login Station
Ministers
D Woolcock 1828-35
Thomas Jones 1828-33
John Llewellyn 1828-33
David Evans 1833-38
James Walters 1840-59
David Davies 1861-67
D.S.Davies 1871-1917
William Samuel Thomas 1921-34
O.Wilfred Evans 1935-42
T.Jones Evans 1943-57
Vincent Evans 1958-1970
T.Elwyn Williams 1972-79
Tecwyn Rhys Ifan 1988-2001 (son of minister Vincent Evans, above)
Eirian Wyn Lewis 2003-present
A celebration concert was held on May 24th at Calfaria to commemorate its 175 year history with:
Corlan, Tecwyn Ifan, Perlau Taf, Daffydd Jones Evans and Beti a Sian.
(Eurfyl Lewis kindly gave me the Calfaria book. If I have inadvertently breached anyone's copyright with the photographs featured above please let me know and they will be removed, or additional credit given as necessary.)
The following picture of Rev'd Davies from 1885 comes from the Peoples Collection Wales
Creator John Thomas, 1838-1905, Owner NLW, Date1885. (Don't think I have infringed copyright by putting this here but will remove if I have.)
Died in 1st World War
Gwilym Morris Thomas, Private, 47892, Yorkshire Regiment.
Gwilym was born at Cilmaenllwyd, and was the Husband of Mary Jane Thomas, of Plasybarlo, Login. He enlisted at Carmarthen nto the Royal Engineers, but later transferred into the 12th Battalion, Yorkshire Regiment, the Pioneer Battalion to the 40th (Bantam) Division. The Division moved to France in June 1916, and saw action at Loos, before moving to the Somme, and fighting at the Ancre. They followed the German withdrawal to the Hindenburg Line in early 1917, and then fought at the Battle of Cambrai, attacking Bourlon Wood. Gwilym was Killed in Action at Cambrai on the 28th November, 1917 aged 31. He is remembered on the Cambrai Memorial, Louverval.
Compiled by Steve John
Idris John Williams, Private, 13924, Royal Welsh Fusiliers.
Idris was born at Ffynonwen, Login, the Son of David and Mary Ann Williams. The family moved to Rock House, Tumble, Llanelly. He enlisted at Tumble into the 11th Battalion, Royal Welsh Fusiliers, part of 67 Brigade, 22nd Division. The Division landed in France in September, 1915, but were sent to Salonika almost immediately, landing there by 5 November. It was in Salonika that Idris contracted typhus. He Died on 29 March, 1916 and is buried in Salonika (Lembet Road) Military Cemetery. He was only 19 years old. Idris is not commemorated on either Memorial.
Compiled by Steve John
Friday, 10 April 2009
Login Rivers
(Weir just north of Login bridge)The weir north of Login bridge is mentioned - as is a 'Mill Race' - which cuts away here and went down the valley and probably once fed water to the old woollen factory at Coedlys.
A school project in 1973 by Meryl James at Whitland Grammar School on the river Taf at Login recorded that the depth at its highest was 3.46' and at its lowest 2.74'. The discharge in millions of gallons per day was 50,807 (max) and 7,203 (min).
Apparently there was large flood in the Taf valley on 4th October 1821.
Taken from Efailwen to Whitland Vol 1.
(Tablet on bridge in Login showing it was built in 1891)Inscription reads:
1891
FIRST BRIDGE BUILT UNDER THE
CARMARTHENSHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL
LOCAL CONTRIBUTIONS £240
GRANT BY COUNTY COUNCIL £800
CHAIRMAN OF COMMITTEE Mr J LLEWELYN
TREASURER R ? PROTHEROE Esq JP
SECRETARY Mr T JOHN
DESIGNER Mr D ? COUNTY SURVEYOR
CONTRACTOR Mr D EVANS. CLERKS OF THE
WORKS MESSERS J B LEWIS & T LEWIS
(I am unsure of the red sections - will have to revisit to double check.)
From Efailwen to Whitland - Vol 1
Origins of Taf name - the oldest form of the name was 'Tam', probably pre-Celtic in origin and it may bear a relation to the Sanscrit word 'tamara' (water).
Tributaries of Afon Taf in and around Login-
Wenallt (Nant Merydd)
Pedol (source Fronwen)
Nant Cilowen
Rhydfach (source at Hiraeth)
Nant Hilin (Tudur)
Dwylan (Cwmmiles)
Nant Cwrt
A note contributed by the author of Fenton's book informs us about a Pontnewydd upon Tav, was built of wood at his own expense by Mr James Philipps of Coedllys. Previous to that a stone structure existed called Pont Tre Griffith Moel. The present bridge dates from 1891.
At Cwmmiles is a more recent, firmer structure.
Cwmmiles Bridge - which had two circular holes either side
Bridge over Afon Taf at Cwmmiles,with chapel in background
© Copyright Roger W Haworth and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence
The above shows the little bridge over the river Wenallt, taken a few yrs ago. The river Wenallt rises near to Rhos Fach and joins the river Taf at Login.
The lane up to this river was one of our favourite walks in the 60s from Gwenlais (also good for bike rides as it was about the only flat piece of ground around!).
Then the river was crossed here by three old railway sleepers - and was a much more secluded and overgrown spot. Our cat would walk up with us - and we'd rest here and look for the little fish that darted around. There was also the ruined cottage the other side of the river - great for exploring! We did try going up the river once - but the brambles stopped us going very far!The lane past the river up to the old church at Cilymaenllwyd was also lovely - with high sided banks and a profusion of moss and vegetation.
From Wikipedia:-
The River Tâf rises in the Preseli Hills near the village of Crymych and is around 50 km (30 mi) long.
Water drains from high ground above the village, and at one time flowed at ground level across the main Cardigan–Tenby road (A478) before falling to the level of the defunct Whitland and Cardigan Branch Line railway station "Crymmych Arms" where, on the UK Ordnance Survey map of 1866 it is shown as the source of the Taf.
At this point the stream fulfils its description "Crymych" (in Welsh "crooked stream") by turning through almost a right angle along the floor of the valley. The stream is mentioned—with various spellings—in records since 1468 and provided both the village and its hostelry with an identity.
Water drains from high ground above the village, and at one time flowed at ground level across the main Cardigan–Tenby road (A478) before falling to the level of the defunct Whitland and Cardigan Branch Line railway station "Crymmych Arms" where, on the UK Ordnance Survey map of 1866 it is shown as the source of the Taf.
At this point the stream fulfils its description "Crymych" (in Welsh "crooked stream") by turning through almost a right angle along the floor of the valley. The stream is mentioned—with various spellings—in records since 1468 and provided both the village and its hostelry with an identity.
From there the Taf, augmented by numerous minor tributaries, flows ESE to Llanfyrnach then SW through Glandwr, Llanglydwen and Login to Whitland. It then flows east to St Clears, south of which its broad estuary meets Carmarthen Bay near Laugharne. Its length is about 56 km (35 mi) from Crymych to Ginst Point, of which about 14 km (9 mi) is tidal.
Thursday, 9 April 2009
Perlau Taf Group
The Group
Formed in March 1968 with Whitland Grammar School pupils and John Arfon Jones (Masth's Master).
First called themsleves Y Perlau, but changed to Perlau Taf as another group had the same name.
In December 1968 they consisted of:-
Tecwyn Evans, guitar (aged 16)
Betty Williams, guitar and vocals (14)
Carol Llewellyn, melody (16)
Mary Rees, alto (16)
Euros Evans, descant (12)
With John Arfon Jones accompanying on the electric organ
Formed in March 1968 with Whitland Grammar School pupils and John Arfon Jones (Masth's Master).
First called themsleves Y Perlau, but changed to Perlau Taf as another group had the same name.
In December 1968 they consisted of:-
Tecwyn Evans, guitar (aged 16)
Betty Williams, guitar and vocals (14)
Carol Llewellyn, melody (16)
Mary Rees, alto (16)
Euros Evans, descant (12)
With John Arfon Jones accompanying on the electric organ
Information taken from a letter held at the National Library of Wales
In 1972 they were number five in the Welsh charts (ahead of Max Boyce!)
Deg Uchaf Y Cymro:Rhagfyr 21 1972
1. Deg o ganeuon - Hogia'r Wyddfa
2. Yma mae Nghân - Dafydd Iwan
3. Tecel - Hogia'r Wyddfa
4. Gorau Cymro Cymro Oddi Cartref - Dafydd Iwan
5. O Iesu Mawr - Perlau Taf.
6. Mae Pawb yn Chwarae Gitar - Hogia'r Wyddfa
7. O na le - Max Boyce
8. Cadwaladr - Galwad y Mynydd
9. Gwymon - Meic Stevens
10. Lliwiau - Sidan
If you wish to read about some of Euros's achievements go to:-http://www.s4c.co.uk/codicanu/2/cgi-bin/codicanu.pl?rm=choir_masters;choir=2;l=e
Perlau Taf By TREVOR JONES, B.SC., PH.D. (The Taf Pearls)
Mention of Perlau Tâf nowadays conjures up thoughts of the Welsh Pop Group, who hail from Whitland, but the phrase has a deeper connotation, as well as historical significance, for within living memory the Tâf river has been fished for pearls. These have been found, and supposedly are still to be found, in the freshwater mussel (Margaritifera margaritifera).
To date, no historical reference to the presence of pearl-mussels in the Tâf has been discovered but such mussels have been, and still are being caught by fishermen using worm as bait for salmon, sewin and trout. In fact, the pearl-mussel must cohabit with fish in the same water in order to complete the parasitic phase in its life cycle.
Full story at:-http://carmarthenshirehistorian.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Historian/PerlauTaf
Wednesday, 8 April 2009
Cylch Meithrin Ffynnonwen
The pretty rainbow alcove is where a window once was. It was blocked up when the new inside toilets were installed behind in a new extension Cylch Meithrin Ffynnonwen was started in 1972 at present we have 16 children registered from the ages of 2years to 4 years.
The chidren come from Efailwen, Login , Llanglydwen, Llanfallteg, Llanboidy, Whitland and Llangynin.
Cylch Meithrin runs from Monday to Thursday 9am -12 noon .
Cylch Meithrin Ffynnonwen
The Old SchoolFfynnonwen, Login Whitland SA34 0TG
01437 563362
Date of Registration: 24/05/1993
Maximum number of places: 16
Download a report
To view an inspectorate report go to:
http://www.csiw.wales.gov.uk/dataviewer/details.asp?code=8108&searchtext=&postcode=&settings=&authority=®ion=&results=true&providers=
The chidren come from Efailwen, Login , Llanglydwen, Llanfallteg, Llanboidy, Whitland and Llangynin.
Cylch Meithrin runs from Monday to Thursday 9am -12 noon .
Cylch Meithrin Ffynnonwen
The Old SchoolFfynnonwen, Login Whitland SA34 0TG
01437 563362
Date of Registration: 24/05/1993
Maximum number of places: 16
Download a report
To view an inspectorate report go to:
http://www.csiw.wales.gov.uk/dataviewer/details.asp?code=8108&searchtext=&postcode=&settings=&authority=®ion=&results=true&providers=
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